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wigit
Junior Member

21 Posts

Posted - 04 Aug 2010 :  18:27:45  Show Profile
Just wanted to say we went into The Lamb last night for something to eat. The food was lovely and there was mountains of it and the bar staff were very welcoming. A very pleasant evening.

neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 07 Aug 2010 :  17:22:58  Show Profile
Went to Lamb today and had a good pub meal. As wigit says, the portions are really big. Staggered home as a result - nothing to do with the beer!

Met the new managers - Daryll and Sam - nice couple. Hope they do well. Also hope villagers will support them. We really need this pub to succeed if we don't want to see it boarded up!
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jammer
Senior Member

172 Posts

Posted - 08 Aug 2010 :  08:32:58  Show Profile
Sounds good, I may give it another chance then.
Just wondering, why did the last lot leave? Thats about 3 sets of managers in as many years isn't it? Any ideas?

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jammer
Senior Member

172 Posts

Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  07:15:47  Show Profile
Have I been sent to Coventry?

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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  09:32:50  Show Profile
Not quite sure why the last managers left, Jammer. When I spoke to them a week before they left, they did seem a bit down and felt that they could do more with the Lamb if they were the licencees.

Understand the managers before them had a housing "situation" which meant that they had to return to Sompting. The managers before them were an older couple who had health problems. On the face of it - genuine reasons for leaving.

Perhaps the main problem with the Lamb (and other pubs) is that there are too many people taking money out with not enough rewards for the managers. The Lamb is owned by Punch Taverns, then there are the licencees running several pubs in the district, then there are the managers and other staff.

Anybody else got any ideas?
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jammer
Senior Member

172 Posts

Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  09:41:59  Show Profile
Thanks Neil!

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compost
Advanced Member

265 Posts

Posted - 10 Aug 2010 :  16:28:26  Show Profile
Hi,

Punch Taverns are not a brewery (the traditional owners of public houses), they are property landlords. Rents may well be far in excess of what would normally be charged.

Just a thought.
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Commuter
Senior Member

United Kingdom
166 Posts

Posted - 17 Aug 2010 :  23:40:00  Show Profile
Successful pubs in this area and other parts of the UK seem to be those which focus almost entirely on good quality, good value food attracting locals and visitors for a relaxing evening out. What doesn't appear to work anymore is the mixed pub which is half set aside for drinking and half for food. Things to attract the "drinkers" (Sky sports, dart boards etc) tend to put off many "diners" - especially those visiting an area. If the Lamb had tenants it might be able to be reinvented as a village eatery to rival the World's End, Black Rabbit in Arundel etc.

Commuter
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goldenseal
New Member

United Kingdom
4 Posts

Posted - 23 Sep 2010 :  14:23:35  Show Profile
Hi all nice topic you have going here.

As a local that uses the lamb for a drink with my local friends and watch the footy, I had a little chat with daryl and it seems that he has to run the pub on a shoestring and to top it all some of the local residents don,t seem happy with what ever he tries so his given up and wants out. Especialy as some of his constant customers have been driven out by the we want the Lamb to be a restaurant brigade.

Surely theres room in the village for one public bar (sports bar) as we know theres already a vast amount of choice for eaters. The Angmering hotel, The Spotted cow, The woodmans arms, The roundstone, The lamb Saloon bar.

But for those of us that enjoy socialising with some local community friends theres only The Lamb public bar or Angmering club.



www.goldensealuk.com

Edited by - goldenseal on 23 Sep 2010 18:00:45
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lovethelamb
New Member

5 Posts

Posted - 20 Oct 2010 :  17:31:00  Show Profile
The Lamb reopens after a thorough cleaning this Saturday at 7.30pm, the new landlord and landlady, Dave and Ali would love to meet as many people as possible and to hear your thoughts on what you want to make this a great traditional Village Inn once again, see you hopefully on Saturday for a complimentry buffet
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 06 Jan 2011 :  10:13:29  Show Profile
Several people have told me that landlord and lady - Dave & Ali - who only arrived in October, will be departing shortly.

Can anybody confirm this? If so, when will they leave and have the licensees got anyone to replace them?

I emailed the local Punch Taverns local manager yesterday seeking this information but have not had a response.
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 06 Jan 2011 :  10:52:07  Show Profile
No need to confirm it - understand landlords moved out yesterday and pub is now shut. There is a large sign outside, put there by Punch Taverns, which reads:

Pub Business

Opportunity. Available

to let

It would therefore appear that the new licencees as well as the new landlords have given up on The Lamb. I expect it will be boarded up shortly.

Is this the end for The Lamb after 230 years? What are your views?
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Maxiboost
Average Member

United Kingdom
37 Posts

Posted - 06 Jan 2011 :  12:50:40  Show Profile
Very sad news indeed.

Seems it's very difficult to make a decent profit as a pub... I wonder if Punch will finally sell with someone buying it and turning it into a full restaurant - maybe an Indian restaurant? I'm sure it's on Shafiques' radar!
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jonah890
Average Member

39 Posts

Posted - 06 Jan 2011 :  13:29:30  Show Profile
It is my understanding that Punch are putting a Manager in there on Friday/Saturday to re-open it, then a ongoing process looking for a new tenant .

Any takers ??
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goldenseal
New Member

United Kingdom
4 Posts

Posted - 08 Jan 2011 :  12:16:52  Show Profile
I had a little chat with Dave last week and i say i must agree with him, As he said the problem with the food side is he was told lies, that only competion he would have was the Spotted Cow. But soon came to realise that nearly all the pubs in the area were very well establised eateries where he and the Lamb stood no chance. He sugested that the pub would do better as a wet trade house with a strong landlord. Where i must agree with him as there is no competition for The Lamb and would be a good way for the pub to save its self. At the end of the day the lamb has part of the local establishment and has been for many many years, which doesn't count for a lot for he poor people that invest there hard earned money and are trying to make it profitable business, and thats it in a nutshell its whats best for business that will work.

www.goldensealuk.com

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Nigel
Senior Member

United Kingdom
238 Posts

Posted - 08 Jan 2011 :  14:00:12  Show Profile
Perhaps a 'Real Ale' pub would be the way to go, with dartboard, bar billiards, sawdust etc. That seems to work in other places with people travelling to try the ales. Darts attracts customers through teams visiting and a lot of people would welcome the traditional 'village pub' feel. The 'posh bar' as was, could be turned into a carvery offering cheap(ish) food.
Just my thoughts, but none of it will work whilst Punch Taverns follows its restrictive practices towards landlords.

Never judge what you don't understand.
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webcore
Junior Member

United Kingdom
15 Posts

Posted - 10 Jan 2011 :  09:20:02  Show Profile
6 years and around 10 different landlords.The phrase monkeys and peanuts comes to mind here.It seems anyone can get the keys to the place and have a go!

Surely Punch need to review there interviewing policy and stop promising the earth to these people at the start.

Absolute shambles and unbelievable business practise.
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2011 :  11:41:21  Show Profile
I understand that Punch are planning to significantly invest in The Lamb, but it will be a few weeks before these plans are released.

In the meantime, holding managers will be contracted by Punch to run the pub and it is hoped to open it again by this weekend.

While Punch, licencees and landlords have all been criticised - sometimes justifiably - I think the 6000+ adult residents of Angmering could have done more to support the pub!
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jammer
Senior Member

172 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2011 :  14:27:25  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by neil

I think the 6000+ adult residents of Angmering could have done more to support the pub!



Be nice to be able to afford pub prices on a regular basis. I dont know how people manage to go there day in and day out in the first place. At over 3 a pint. I work full time and I cant afford it. Whats the secret I am missing? Please tell me.

Im all for going for an occasional meal to a nice place and supporting it occasionaly when funds allow, but lets be honest the decor in the lamb was outdataed 20 years ago. The food was average at best and the general atmosphere to non "Every night" locals was not exactly inviting.

On the rare occasion I can afford to take my family out for something to eat or a drink I will select the venue based on where I will get good value for money, nice surroundings and a welcome, not some misguided sense of loyalty.

Sorry but thats my opinion. The whole place needs revamping, and Im sorry but I dont agree that a spit and sawdust approach is the answer.

Edited immediately to add that I do like the carvery idea! I would definitely use that maybe once a month.

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webcore
Junior Member

United Kingdom
15 Posts

Posted - 11 Jan 2011 :  15:07:50  Show Profile
Jammer, some of the most successful pubs are not always the best decorated but I do agree with you.People use a pub if they feel they are getting good value for money and are drinking/eating in a comfortable atmosphere ie, Spotted Cow.This plus some decent entertainment would encourage loyalty and perhaps more frequent visits.
Again this is down to who Punch give the keys to and how much support they offer them financially.


Edited by - webcore on 11 Jan 2011 15:46:03
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BRAM
Advanced Member

373 Posts

Posted - 12 Jan 2011 :  14:55:38  Show Profile
A business,company, enterprise, or firm is normally designed to provide goods, services, or both to consumers in exchange for money. The owners & operators of private, for-profit businesses should have as one of their main objectives the receipt or generation of a financial return in exchange for work & acceptance of risk. So entrepreneurs willing to launch new ventures or enterprises must accept full responsibility for the outcome

It is not the duty of the public to provide a guaranteed profit or clientele to the business regardless of quality or value for money.
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compost
Advanced Member

265 Posts

Posted - 13 Jan 2011 :  09:53:27  Show Profile
Any pub is only ever as good as its landlord, when I had a public house in Littlehampton a few years ago i was paid on what came over the bar, no retainer, so had to ensure people wanted to come back. I found that there was a call for cheap honest food at lunchtime for those office/shop staff in the area on their lunch break (quick easy stuff so they were not wasting their half hour/hour). During the afternoon 2pm - 5pm I caterd for people that were finished early and built up a firm customer base of strangers who suddenly found "mates" for an afternoon game of pool and relaxed chat. Early evening saw builders and other tradesmen pop in for a quick pint on the way home. The evenings were a combiation of darts matches, quizzes and pool competitions (to hopefully fill the quiet winter evenings) Friday Saturday and Sunday was noisy and mainly entertained the 18 - 30 crowd. I found that taking the time to know your clientel and what was need at different times of the day was a good way of running the business - I did not think that targeting one specific group would support the business.
I stopped running pubs 14 years ago - would love another one, but she who must be obeyed is not for it.
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 13 Jan 2011 :  16:36:09  Show Profile
The food in the Spotted Cow is nowhere near as good as it used to be. The Fox is better. Therefore other than the Angmering Manor Hotel there would not be much competition in the village. Punch should offer the pub for sale at a low price to a competitior to get it off their books. It could then be changed to a FREE HOUSE without Punch's astronomical requirements
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 19 Jan 2011 :  10:36:55  Show Profile
Supposedly now open all day. Couple in there seem friendly enough.
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  12:26:03  Show Profile
Seems The Lamb is up for sale
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  16:53:11  Show Profile
Would not have thought Punch Taverns would sell The Lamb, but of course I could be wrong. They are supposedly investing quite a bit of money to refurbish the building, but all has gone quiet on that score. Punch put holding tenants in a few months' ago and were advertising for new permanent tenants.
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 21 Mar 2011 :  17:40:45  Show Profile
You were quite right, roosterbri - despite what I was told a little while ago by the local Punch rep, it seems they have had enough and the Lamb is now up for sale.

It is being advertised with Savills and the asking price is 425,000. Of course, it needs a lot spending on it. Savills state the address is "The Square, Littlehampton"!

Now there will be speculation on what will happen to the building. Will it now end its life as a pub after 230 years? I sense this is going to be a hot and controversial topic in the village in the coming months.

It is, of course, a Grade II Listed Building.
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rogp
Junior Member

United Kingdom
30 Posts

Posted - 22 Mar 2011 :  12:11:28  Show Profile
Noticed this announcement from Punch Taverns, probably the Lamb is one of the disposals and closures mentioned.

LONDON, March 22 (Reuters) - Embattled British pubs firm Punch Taverns (PUB.L) said on Tuesday it would demerge its managed pubs division, Spirit, as part of a strategy to reduce its crippling 3 billion pounds ($4.9 billion) debt pile.

The company, which is Britain's biggest pubs group with 6,770 establishments, said it would demerge its better-performing Spirit business from its struggling tenanted business to create two independent public companies.

Punch will then look to reduce the size of its tenanted business by nearly half to around 3,000 pubs from 5,967 currently through disposals and closures
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2011 :  05:30:52  Show Profile
New people running The Lamb again.
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member

United Kingdom
169 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2011 :  08:45:16  Show Profile
tenants or owners?
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2011 :  17:13:21  Show Profile
Managing company
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 01 Aug 2011 :  11:20:10  Show Profile
Rumour has it that The Lamb has been sold
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member

United Kingdom
169 Posts

Posted - 11 Aug 2011 :  15:05:09  Show Profile
I see it's got the under offers board up now
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Crazypaving
Average Member

United Kingdom
51 Posts

Posted - 13 Aug 2011 :  10:42:09  Show Profile
Any idea who? Needs someone prepared to spend a lot of money, do it up and convert it into a proper pub/restaurant
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roosterbri
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
553 Posts

Posted - 28 Aug 2011 :  09:39:16  Show Profile
Rumour has it Gastro Pub privately owned
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BFA
Advanced Member

United Kingdom
410 Posts

Posted - 28 Aug 2011 :  22:42:12  Show Profile
I think it's a safe assumption that if it is to bought, the buyers are not going to attempt a rinse and repeat.




Edited by - BFA on 28 Aug 2011 23:26:52
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator

United Kingdom
2623 Posts

Posted - 12 Sep 2011 :  17:05:24  Show Profile
The Lamb has now officially changed hands and an introduction by the new owners has today been published on the AVL News page.

see www.angmeringvillage.co.uk/news.htm


For the first time in over 100 years, the pub is now in private hands and will no longer be operating under the restrictive practices of a pub chain. As a "free house" I think we will be seeing some good beers and wines at the pub when it re-opens in 2012 after substantial repairs and improvements.

Anyway, I would like to wish the Newbon family good luck in their new venture. At last I feel confident in the future of The Lamb.
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jonah890
Average Member

39 Posts

Posted - 12 Sep 2011 :  18:34:40  Show Profile
I wish the Newbon Family the very best of luck, and look forward to the new updated Lamb.

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Karl@KCM
Senior Member

United Kingdom
169 Posts

Posted - 12 Sep 2011 :  18:53:58  Show Profile
Great News, well done the Newbon family
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jammer
Senior Member

172 Posts

Posted - 12 Sep 2011 :  20:05:42  Show Profile
At Last!!!!!!!

What's that I hear, some inside toilets for the men too?

Well the Spotted cow will have to play catch up now with those mod cons?.

Seriously though wish the New owners all the best and look forwards to a sandwich and pint when it re-opens.

Sounds like it is just what is needed. Wont be sorry to see all those grotty furnishings and carpeting gone :-)


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Tinklebelle
Average Member

United Kingdom
81 Posts

Posted - 12 Sep 2011 :  23:03:56  Show Profile
Brilliant news, Lee and Jean all good wishes for this venture. We look forward to seeing this lovely old building restored and coming back to life in our village Square.

Tinklebelle
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