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jonah890
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 Posted - 24 Apr 2010 : 15:00:23
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I have just noticed this, does any one have any ideas ?
Planning Notice A/53/10/EIS
Proposed development between Weavers Hill and High Street ? |
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Bert
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 : 15:45:04
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My understanding is, that this is a "Scoping Opinion" which is a pre-curser to a planning application as we normally know it.
A "Scoping Opinion" is an application to the local District Council re. issues of an Environmental Impact Assesment (EIA) in respect of a proposed development.
It appears to look into the environmental issues re. a proposed planning application on the relevant area which is quite a substantial area of land.
As can be seen by the application and associated documents on the Arun DC website, there has been consultation with Environmental Health, Highways, Highways Agency and Southern Water.
The proposed development is for residential, employment, community use and public open space. A plan/map for the boundary of this application can be seen on the ADC website.
If this EIA does not throw up any major issues, I would assume a planning application, in the form we usually see, providing full details of the proposed development, will follow at some time in the future.
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Apr 2010 : 16:51:33
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I have been trying to get an article up all day but my internet connection has been unavailable until now. See News page.
The Somerset family of Castle Goring have held most of the land on the proposed development site for hundreds of years. It has been in their stewardship for all that time. They, and two other local landowners now want to make some cash at the expense of villagers and shopkeepers. The Somersets have recently been thwarted by the refusal by Worthing Borough Council to allow a substantial development of housing on their land in West Durrington.
Angmering does not have the infrastructure to support this development.
Bert points out the nature of this planning application, the main part of which consists of a document of some 23 pages. This can be seen by going to the following page:
http://www.arun.gov.uk/cgi-bin/buildpage.pl?mysql=3922
In the the Search Box under "Reference" type A/53/10/EIS then select "Search". Click on the resulting link and then select the "Documents" link. |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 12:11:18
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Pardon me for saying so, Mr Webmaster, but that article on your news page is an opinion piece not a news piece. It's your website and you can put up whatever you like - but the news bit is 'there is a planning application' then your opinion is that it's a bad thing and there is a need to oppose it.
Why do you begin with the word 'threat of new houses...'? Why not 'promise of new houses.....'?
I haven't read the application yet (the links above don't work for me so I'll have to search for it) but surely this could be great news? More homes for our young people to aspire to buy. More shops bringing more variety and culture. More diversity. More users of this forum! If the existing shops in the centre feel the competition, then it's an opportunity for them to improve what they offer to keep their customers. Competition can be good.
Regarding the infrastructure - the A280 seems lightly used, there's plenty of seats on the train, I reckon there's room for more of us here.
If I do comment on the application, it would probably be to support it in principle provided they included enough car parking, safe walking routes for the children to get to the schools, enough car parking, some tree planting to make it look nice, enough car parking, roads wide enough to actually drive along, and enough car parking. I might also mention the need for car parking.
Generally, things change, nothing stays the same. Angmering has grown over the centuries as this site's excellent history pages describe, and it will carry on growing and changing for ever. We could go with it and enjoy it. Different does not have to mean worse!
Anyway, I look forward to the debate :-)
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bgresident
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 12:44:10
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Mr T,
If you take the time to look properly, you will see that the area of the website you are referring to is titled News & Views so Neil is right to submit the post in question.
As far as your views on housing are concerned, I can only assume you don't live in Angmering as the infrastructure is simply inadequate for this type of development.
(need to change my username as I no longer live on BG) |
Edited by - bgresident on 25 Apr 2010 12:46:24 |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 13:14:10
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The item on my News & Views page is both a news item and an opinion. The page is not just limited to news items.
If you had read the long-standing Note at the bottom of the News page, MrT, you would have seen the following:
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This is a multi-purpose page - it contains local news, editorial comments, and residents' views. Angmering Village Life welcomes comments on the village and parish but will not normally publish individuals' communications, nor will it normally make any comment based on a single observation. However, if a number of similar comments have been made on any one aspect, we will consider including an appropriate item on this page. Any such views expressed will not reflect those of Angmering Village Life unless specifically stated. Angmering Village Life does not purport to represent the residents of Angmering in any way. Angmering Village Life would welcome genuine factual news items for publication on this page.
You are quite correct in stating that my editorial comments are just my opinion, but that is no different to,say, the Littlehampton Gazette making editorial comments/opinions in their own paper - which they do.
Notwithstanding that, in hindsight, I think I could have made the article clearer and have now made a few changes to reflect my foregoing comments and those of MrT.
The Parish Council, The Angmering Society (with over 600 members), myself, and many residents, do see new housing on the scale proposed to be a threat. Links to the PC's and The Angmering Society's comments on this large scale housing can be found at www.angmeringvillage.co.uk/articles/a_LDF.htm
I do not have a problem with anybody supporting the development if they have a good argument in favour of it. |
I believe in responsible free speech. I do not necessarity agree with every statement made in these Forums and do not expect everybody to agree with me |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 13:32:33
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Sorry MrT, I found that the link to the application was time related and it has expired which is why it wouldn't work for you.  I've amended the link to the application although it's a bit convoluted. |
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 13:36:08
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Do we know if Arun District Council has decided on which Option it will promulgate as a result of the Arun Core Strategy- Options for Growth- Consultation Feb. - April 2009 ??
Option 2 was the Ford Eco plan so I assume that has been discarded.
Option 1, included apprx 500 houses for Angmering,
Option 3, included apprx 1,500 houses for Angmering.
These plans dealt with growth up to year 2026.
Or have Arun not decided yet; or have they put them in the pending file to re-visit after the result of the General Election, as the Conservative policy is to leave planning to local decision making rather than having these issues imposed upon us, as is the current Labour Government policy ??
Residents will need to know how such a proposed development will fit in to Arun DC longer term plan. Hence we need to know the result of the above Consultation exercise and subsequent decision if there has been one.
My recollection of looking at the documents for this Scoping Opinion/application on ADC website yesterday, are that the proposed subsequent application will be for Outline Planning consent, which tends to suggest a longer term development, rather than an initial Full planning application.
However, individuals and organisations who oppose such a development will need to indicate their opposition at the Outline Planning application stage.
As I see it, much will depend on the policy of Arun DC, hence my reference above.
Personally I am very much against further building of this type in or around Angmering in the forseeable future. |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 16:58:03
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Thanks Neil for fixing the links. There's a lot to read there.
(yes 'bgresident' I do indeed live in Angmering)
I wonder how long this thread is going to get!
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Kat123
New Member
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Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 23:17:40
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| I have just been alerted about the proposals to possibly build new houses in the Angmering area. From reading previous posts I understand that there may be division of opinion on the subject, but I must say that I am utterly opposed to any new developments in Angmering. I have read the proposals and there is no justifiable reason to build more houses in the area, other than to achieve an arbitrary government target. New houses would put pressure on local services and infrastructure that are already overstretched. The train services are already heavily overstretched: if you travel on trains at peak times to and from Angmering it is nearly impossible to get a seat, and sometimes when returing from the Chichester direction in the evening it is not possible to even get on the train to Angmering because there are too many people trying to use it. The A27 and the A259 suffer from severe congestion and need to be expanded into dual carraigways for the entirety of their length to support just the current level of inhabitants' traffic. My question is this: how can we best voice our concerns about this to stop this happening? Is it best to write to Nick Herbert or is there someone at the council we should write to? Will the residents of Angmering be given a real opportunity to express their views on the subject? I certainly hope so. Any advice from other members on this particular issue would be much appreciated. |
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BRAM
Advanced Member
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 10:04:53
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It would be naieve to think that housing development in the SE can be stopped.Whatever political party gain power the housing lobbyists are a very strong & influential group & high profits will drive them to persuade national & local government around to its views that housing (at any cost) is essential.Cash incentives by developers to County,District & Parish Councils will help the authorities ease any disquiet expressed by local populations as we saw with Bramley Green development together of course with the increased council tax revenue.
The added problem is that little control is exercised over the quality of the developments- which is evident from the BG where we have already seen subsidence & other flaws in individual houses which planners & control officers overlooked before,during & after completion.
Even though governments spout environmental concerns on energy saving many of the BG houses do not have cavity wall insulation which has been a statutory requirement for some years but NHBC who were the Building Control Officers failed to ensure this was done & now homeowners have to install it themselves, hence the recent mailshot on BG by ADC offering "subsidised"insulation. |
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beernard
Average Member
United Kingdom
99 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 19:06:25
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| Lets hope Angmering does not end up with another Bramley green on its doorstep. |
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georgevee
Junior Member
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 15:19:26
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Why do I hear so many people who have moved into the rural life
scene want all these houses built. If they want to live in an urban sprawl why don't they move back to one and leave the villages alone.
We have no employment here, the schools are inadequate and the roads are a disgrace. With all this planned developement for this village we will soon have a village centre full of estate agents and that is the last thing we want. |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
43 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 10:48:30
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| I see this is front page news in the Littlehampton Gazette this morning! |
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Rosebud
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 08:50:02
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| I see there is a plan of the site in the Spotted Cow, and also an e-mail address to join a petition. Maybe they could also be posted on here so people can see the plan, and join the petition if they wanted to. |
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Kat123
New Member
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 13:34:13
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| What is the email address to join the petition? |
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Aramis
Average Member
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Posted - 15 May 2010 : 18:20:32
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| Petitions and proforma letters are often counted as a single objection so may not carry the weight you imagine. As this is a scoping exercise to identify things they will have to consider in their planning application, there isn't anything to formally object to as yet. When a planning application is made, then you can send your letter of objection or support to Arun DC. |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 21:16:14
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I see someone's put a sign up - Save Angmering - on Water Lane on the left past the pinch points as you roll down into the village. I guess that's another objector!
Is it just me who thinks new houses and new people could be a good thing for Angmering? I haven't seen a sign saying 'new residents welcome here' :-(
One day, those new residents may find this forum, and register and try and contribute, and go through the archive and find this thread. I wonder how they'll feel?
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Lulu
Advanced Member
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Posted - 18 May 2010 : 22:44:58
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Mr.T, I am on the outside of this debate, but I follow it on this site. As an outsider, I have to say that I do not feel that the people of Angmering are anti-outsiders, I get the feeling that they are just trying to protect a way of life that may never come again, once lost. The close community spirit would be lost. Everyone wants to live in the country, but when that happens, it's no longer "the country". |
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BFA
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2010 : 00:27:12
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Originally posted by MrT
One day, those new residents may find this forum, and register and try and contribute, and go through the archive and find this thread. I wonder how they'll feel?
Maybe not too bad if their two cents is to whinge about the new development planned across the road from them - which of course will happen. |
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nomorehouses
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United Kingdom
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Rosebud
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2010 : 16:51:18
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| I see in the Gazette today there was meeting last night about the proposed building development. I don't recall seeing this meeting advertised anywhere in the village. When and where was it, and what was actually discussed at it? |
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 17:34:28
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I see from the BBC website, local news page, that the development consortium have decided not to persue an appeal in respect of the refusal by Worthing Borough Council to build on the West Durrington / Titnore Woods site.
The indication is, that they will persue other development sites.
In one of Neil's earlier postings, (24th April) the indication is that the same family are involved in both the West Durrington and Angmering areas of land.
The suggestion that they will not persue the West Durrington site and will persue other sites, appears ominous to the proposed Angmering Development. |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 20:37:11
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You could well be right, Bert!
In answer to Rosebud's posting back on 20 May, the meeting was not at all well advertised. I happened to pick up the notice of the meeting from a Google alert about 2 hours before the meeting and went along to it at Angmering Manor Hotel. Over 50 Angmering residents were there, mostly those in the general vicinity of the site covered by the Arun DC Scoping Report.
Many proposals for action were discussed, but the most important matter was the formation of a committee which, I understand, will be meeting tomorrow evening (Friday 11 June) for the first time. This Action Group will extend its fight to stop large housing developments, not only for the Water Lane/Weavers Hill/By-pass land, but also for other land around Angmering.
Future public meetings and updates will feature in the local media, including the AVL News page. It is understood a Facebook page has been established. An offer from a local resident to print more professional flyers/banners etc was accepted by the meeting's organisers.
The Action Group also intend to set up their own website. |
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BRAM
Advanced Member
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Posted - 11 Jun 2010 : 09:03:04
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10/019 CHAIRMAN’S REPORT (minutes 7/6/10)
Councillor Nunn said he had had a recent meeting with our MP Nick
Herbert who also under the new government has responsibility for the
Police Service. He raised the Council’s concerns about the lack of
police visibility within the Parish. Nick Herbert asked that he be copied
in on all correspondence. Nick Herbert also visited the site of the
proposed new houses. He felt the same as the Parish Council that we
need to wait until the detailed report is available.
With such proactive interest & the usual vigilance of APC & our local MP surely we can rest assured that it will never happen. |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
2623 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 10:00:46
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Was I the only one who saw a Union flag parcel-taped to the window of the Parish Council early on Saturday morning, with some crudely written and almost intelligible text criticising APC for lack of support over possible new housing developments?
While I am a supporter of the campaign to stop this unnecessary housing that could ruin Angmering, I think it is unfair to criticise APC at this early stage, particularly as no firm proposals have been made to build anything yet - just a Scoping Report.
Notwithstanding that, I would hope that APC is in the process of drawing up a plan of action now - as a planning application(s) will surely come - and not waiting until the Scoping Report is published after which date they will start to plan their campaign of objection. This would probably take them 6 months based on past performance - by which time the horse would have bolted! It's not just the land covered by the Scoping Report that is at risk, but a number of other areas that land-owners might seek to sell for mass housing development.
Perhaps someone from APC could let us know their plans. |
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 16 Jun 2010 : 15:09:56
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I agree entirely with Neil.
From the above, I assume the Action Group will organise themselves into an effective opposition to this development, and it is very important that APC think earlier rather than later about their view on this development, hopefully to oppose it and I too, hope that they are in the process of drawing up a plan of action in opposition. If they are not, they need to start immediatly.
As there has been an important change in Government policy in respect of housing development in the south east, and it is now a matter for local Planning Authorities to decide, without the imposition of Central Government dictating the excessive number of properties to be built over the next few years, it is very important that the Action Group and APC provide a compelling case for opposition.
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 13:33:54
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I see that Mid Sussex District Council (Haywards Heath/Burgess Hill, plus large surrounding rural area) have announced it has a target to build just 370 new homes each year, substantially less than the previous target of 855.
The move comes after the Coalition Government scrapped the previous Central housing targets for local councils, in July. Local Councils will decide numbers themselves.
I have not seen any figures announced for Arun District Council (ADC,) and I do not know if they are going to set a target, as Mid Sussex DC have, but I imagine the previous ADC housing strategy has been scrapped in line with Government policy.
If ADC are thinking of a figure/reduction along similar lines to MSDC, clearly pressure for the number of new houses receiving planning permission, to be built each year, will be substantially reduced from the previous strategy.
I hope this will exercise the minds of the group who are behind the Weavers Hill/High Street proposal and any planning application that may be forthcoming, along with ADC Planning officers.
Is anyone aware of any developments with the Scoping Report or the local Action Group? |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Nov 2010 : 15:27:04
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I don't know the position re the Scoping Report. Neither do I know what the action group, Save Angmering Village, is doing. Their website at www.angmering.co.uk has not been updated for some months - still has a newsflash for an August event - and some of the page links do not work.
Can any memember of SAV let Forum members know the latest position? |
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 15 Nov 2010 : 20:49:12
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I see on the ADC website, there is now a survey of residents, to provide opinions on the numbers of houses to be built over the forthcoming years, as part of their consultation process.
They appear to be somewhat behind MSDC in doing this, however, much better late than never.
They are suggesting 4 figures. The least of which is still over 400 each year. |
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Bert
Advanced Member
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Posted - 23 Jun 2011 : 16:36:29
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I see Arun District Council have decided on the annual housebuilding rate for the next 17 years. The annual figure is to be 400.
This is lower than the figure imposed by the previous Government on our District Council, and results from the many consultations held around the Bognor/Littlehampton area over the winter months. One such public consultation meeting was held at Angmering Community Centre in January, for residents of Angmering, East Preston and Ferring.
Clearly, the overwhelming consensus from the public in this Arun District, has been to keep the figure to a minimum.
This is good news for those of us, (not all, I appreciate,) who want new builds to be kept to a minimum in Arun generally and Angmering in particular and may well impact on the proposed development between Weavers Hill and High Street, about which, we do not appear to have heard anything recently. |
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Nigel
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Posted - 23 Jun 2011 : 19:31:52
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| Just remember that this means none in Angmering, or up to 400. The battle is not yet won. |
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