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 Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 18:21:06
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| I think there are three Hairdressers in the village, and maybe two outlets that offer beauty treatments, so already there is duplication. I am struggling to think of a viable specialist business for the empty properies. When I drive through Storrington, I am always intrigued by the Violin repairers shop, with violins hanging in the small window. I know people can use the Internet at the Library if they don't have aPC at home. There doesn't seem to be an Internet cafe round here..... |
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Bert
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 19:29:13
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Jammer, I agree that most of the retail outlets in the village are quite good, but you make the point that in years gone by, there was a greater mix of shops. That is exactly the point. It was when you were young, it is not the case now.
We have recently had quite a large proportion of premises empty. The electrical shop; Threshers; Bike shop. The old newsagents was empty for a long time before Regency Patisserie took over.
It amazed me that the electrical shop remained open as long as it did.
I would love to see the village centre thriving, but unfortunately it is not. There is very little for people outside of Angmering to make a special journey into our village, so it depends, in the main on the village residents, of whom there are quite a lot.
Business people looking for retail / shop premises are clearly not queuing up, waiting for premises to become available, so I repeat, that I am pleased Butts will move into the village centre.
I agree with BFA "..it's up to proprietors to make shops more attractive.." People have to be attracted to a particular shop or village. Parking is also an issue.
I hope the shops we currently have, and the ones that we expect to open in the near future, do well. Although we are under no obligation to do so, I hope residents support village shops whenever possible.
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BFA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2010 : 20:28:34
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A photographer may do well - right by the church and all
A good butcher may also do well
If the florist moved in they'd probably treble their turnover - let the estate agent move in where the florist is now - already had permission for office use.
I would say that people from outside the village come to.....
Mavericks
Jefferies
Chandlers BMW
Pearl dental
Seymour & Lisle
Estate agents
and I know for sure that they come from miles around to ourselves - e.g. - Ditchling, just for ribbon and Spain for framing (OK - that's not a special trip )
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BFA
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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 19:21:40
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Originally posted by Bert
I am pleased Butts will move into the village centre.
The issue here is should permission be granted to lose a retail premise and gain an office premise.
For all we know Butts could be wanting to lease it because they have a sub-tenant already lined up - which could be a solicitor, an accountant - whatever.
Furthermore; assuming they do move in; as I said we don't know when they'd move in or for how long.
No attempt has been made to let this premises out for it's intended use and I think that change of usage should be a last resort after a reasonable time of trying.
Businesses that do no rely on customers/clients coming through their doors WILL take customer parking.
I'd urge anyone who wants to keep at least as many shops in the village as we have now, or more - to object to this application.
It's easy - enter the planning ref (A/2/10) here http://www.arun.gov.uk/cgi-bin/buildpage.pl?mysql=3922
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Bert
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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 19:51:19
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BFA, I do not have a strong view on this subject.
As you will see from my posting, my reasoning is mainly due to the fact that we have a number of premises in the village centre unoccupied, which does not look particularly pleasing on the eye, and there are clearly not people queuing up to take them on.
I would rather see an Estate Agents (known locally) than have the premises boarded up.
I appreciate your concerns re. the possibility of letting. Is it not possible for you (or Patty) to contact Butts and speak to one of the principals at the firm and enquire, from one businessman to another, (or from APC.)
It seems a perfectly reasonable request to enquire what their plans are. It may well assist them in any possible objections to the planning application from other businesses in the village. |
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Bert
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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 20:04:57
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Having now looked at the application, it clearly describes use as
an Estate Agents Office. |
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BFA
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Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 20:15:29
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Just because a premise is empty (and all bar the off licence are spoken for - it can be seen that new shops are coming soon, which is better than empty/boarded up with no plans) it does not necessarily mean there is no interest.
In the case of Angmering news for example, it would have been re-occupied much sooner, but there were legal problems with the lease.
I think it's a good sign that all retail premises in the village, bar the offie, (which hasn't been empty that long) are spoken for and it should be given a chance. If it was and it still failed to attract a new tenant/owner - fair enough.
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BRAM
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Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 10:55:40
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Whilst not strictly a shop in the village Roundstone motors is nevertheless an Angmering business, so has anybody else heared that it is to close?
Its location would make it an ideal small housing development. |
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Cazd
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Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 16:07:08
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Hi everyone - I'm a new poster here...
Personally, I'd like to see the Coop selling newspapers - Woodies opening times are ok for those lucky enough not to have to work for a living. Most days I have to go without and resort to going online to read my paper and it just isn't the same as settling into the comfy chair and perusing the print...
Having said that, I've been resident in the village for 18 months and have been made to feel very welcome by residents and traders alike, so thank you all!!
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BFA
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Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 17:38:34
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Roundstone Motors has gone in to liquidation; the site already has planning permission for housing.
As for Woodies, they open at some ridiculous hour in the morning, so unless you leave for work even earlier, why not pop in on the way, or, if you want to read it when you get home - have it delivered?
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Cazd
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Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 17:55:59
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| I'm afraid my income as a public servant does not allow me the luxury of paying extra for delivery nor the certainty of being able to afford a paper every day. I leave for work at 0750, by which time the village is already clogged with school-runners and work-goers, and I get back well after 1800. It would just be nice to have an alternative. |
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deb8
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Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 18:50:59
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Cazd
I wonder whether you could pick up a paper during the lunch hour? Competition in a small village might put Woodies at risk.
I have to say that I have found Woodies to be a great newsagents. I would also like to applaud them for the service they have given during this miserable weather. Through rain, gales, snow etc etc they have delivered on time. Three cheers for Woodies and their paper boys 
Sainsbury's might also be an option for you ...
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Cazd
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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 22:02:48
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Dont get me wrong, I do use Woodies whenever I can, and find the service excellent. The last village I lived in had, and still has two shops selling papers and both have a thriving trade. I try to shop locally and avoid supermarkets wherever possible due to their aggressive and anti-competition trading policies and am a regular at the Coop mainly because of its ethical stance. I'd just like to occasionally enjoy an evening read.....
However, it's hardly a major issue and in general I absolutely love the village!!! |
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BFA
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Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 22:43:21
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Originally posted by Cazd
I leave for work at 0750, by which time the village is already clogged with school-runners and work-goers.
I don't remember the last time I had to drive to the village centre at that time, but surely that's a bit early for the school run.
I Leave home (Chantryfield road area) for work in the village centre at about 0845 and (if I don't walk) I go via Dappers lane. Arundel Road is a total no-go at that time - two schools, no thanks!
Guessing that if the village is clogged at that time it's commuters/bypass dodgers?
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BFA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 19:00:01
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Dizzys have been given notice to leave by April 10th by their landlord - Michael Jones estate agents, who will move in.
Could just be coincidence that this has happened so soon after planning has been applied for for some of their competition .............
Three estate agents if Butt's application goes through
It's planning ref no A/2/10 and once again - if you'd rather we did not lose a retail shop - here's the link to object http://www.arun.gov.uk/cgi-bin/buildpage.pl?mysql=3922.
We always knew that Dizzys was temporary and eventually the place would revert back to an Estate agents, but we will sorely miss them anyway.
(Edited to add - if you would like to object, tomorrow is the deadline - maybe you could quote this)
"The Arun local plan 2003
POLICY DEV30 Local and Village Centres
Change of use from retail will not be permitted for shops which are located outside the defined Principal Shopping Areas. An exception may be made where it can be demonstrated that retailing is no longer a viable use, particularly where the premises have remained vacant for a long period and that reasonable attempts have been made to market the premises for retail purposes.
Reason
To prevent the loss of local and village shops which are of community benefit".
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neil
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 19:42:03
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Jools Chaffer, the owner of dizzy, the diabetes boutique charity shop, phoned me this morning with the news. He is preparing a press statement that should be issued tomorrow (which I will publish on the News page when received). However, he did not want any announcement made before his statement.
He is very disappointed that he will lose the shop but he holds no rancour towards Michael Jones Estate Agents and he recognises that it was purely a commercial decision. Neither does he want others to hold it against Jones. He was full of praise for the people of Angmering and will return if another suitable premises arises. I think we will all miss dizzys.
Notwithstanding this, what can we read into this? Are Jones making a move to open a business before Butts, which of course they can as they already hold the lease of the shop next to Angmering Framing & Stitches? Do they think that the planners will object to having three estate agents in The Square and they want to establish theirs before any agreement is given to Butts' current planning application? Quite possibly.
What do others think? |
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clueless
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 19:55:43
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I dont know that Michael Jones timing is quite right to stop any planning application by Butts, but we certainly do not want or need 3 estate agents in this village.
Indeed, if Dizzies have to go, that in effect means we will be losing 2 shops.
BFA's posting looks very positive regarding the rules for not allowing the retail premises to go, lets hope lots of people put in an objection to Arun so that we can keep at least one of the shops as a shop.
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jonah890
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 19:58:38
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Just a issue i have noted or something i have missed ?
Where Dizzy's is now was a estate agents,so did they have to get change of use to retail and will they need this reversed ?
Or is it because they are a charity they did not need change of use ?
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neil
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 20:12:58
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| I can neither remember nor find a planning application for dizzy when they took over the shop which was previously occupied by Henry Adams Estate Agents. Perhaps a charity shop is seen as temporary occupancy. |
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angmeringpaul
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 20:18:08
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| At the risk of being pedantic Dizzy's is not strictly speaking a charity shop. |
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BFA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 20:24:22
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Looking back (as far as the 80's) through planning applications, we can't find one that granted change of usage FROM retail - not saying there isn't one, just that we can't find one. It used to part of this shop when it was Wests.
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patty
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 20:36:29
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Sorry dear!
Back in 1988 when the shop was first converted, permission was granted for it to be an estate agents.
So all ok there then.
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any comments and views listed above are those of myself personally and not as a Parish Councillor, and in no way reflect opinions of the Parish Council or any other professional bodies |
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BFA
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Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 20:59:05
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Well - Dizzy's isn't the issue, as I said we all knew the day would come when it would revert back to an estate agents - Michael Jones would have moved in straight after Henry Adams if the market wasn't in such a state at that time - Dizzy's was a temporary bonus to the village.
The issue is do we want the planning application to be granted for change of use at what used to be the off licence. |
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BRAM
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 16:35:08
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I understand that Dizzy,s(which presumably falls under class A1 use as a retail unit,as would the off licence)was previously occupied by Henry Adams estate agents who presumably had class A2 use consent(i.e professional & financial services).
Under the Use Classes Order 2000 premises in A2 category are permitted a change of use to A1 without the need for planning consent.
There is however no permitted change of use from A1 to any other use class without a specific grant of permission. |
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neil
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 17:32:37
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| Understand that Dizzy's obtained a temporary licence to trade. Therefore there is no need for permission to change usage. The premises can still operate as estate agents. |
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neil
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 10:26:33
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Further to my posting of 10 March, Jools has pointed out to me that he is not the owner of dizzy but an "employee / director".
dizzy is a regulated Community Interest Company. For those of us not familiar with this newer type of company the definition is:
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Community Interest Companies (CICS) are limited companies, with special additional features, created for the use of people who want to conduct a business or other activity for community benefit, and not purely for private advantage. This is achieved by a "community interest test" and "asset lock", which ensure that the CIC is established for community purposes and the assets and profits are dedicated to these purposes. Registration of a company as a CIC has to be approved by the Regulator who also has a continuing monitoring and enforcement role.
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derekdainton
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 11:40:31
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| Estate Agents are like flies. If there's a hint of a jam pot they'll be very apparent. So, good news for house sales? Mind you, flies also go after dead meat! |
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BFA
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 12:38:33
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Change of usage has ben refused ......
"Insufficient information has been submitted to justify that the retail use is no longer viable and the Local Planning Authority is not satisfied that the existing retail premises would no longer serve the retail needs of the community. The proposal is therefore contrary to policy DEV30 of the Arun District Local Plan."
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neil
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 19:12:06
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I see that earlier this week, a poster went up in the window of the previous bicycle shop announcing that a ladies' new and nearly new dress shop would be opening there shortly. Apart from any stock, shop looks as if it is ready to open!
They are looking to stock designer label wear. |
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derekdainton
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 : 11:57:28
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| Why doesn't Dizzy move into The Local? |
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Rob
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 : 14:02:13
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| because i would guess that shop would cost more to rent out derekdainton. as its bigger i think. |
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neil
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Posted - 29 Mar 2010 : 16:19:22
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| I'm told that the largish single storey building at the rear - which is part of the shop - is fitted out with a cold store |
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jammer
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Posted - 05 Apr 2010 : 08:24:54
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| I see that the old offie has a "Let" sign in the window now. As it is not to be an estate agents, any ideas what might be appearing there? |
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neil
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Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 11:46:59
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The Wardrobe, a ladies fashion shop, opened today on Church Hill - see AVL News page.
But who will go into the vacated off-licence where Butts (estate agents) wanted to go? The shop no has a "Let" notice in the window as jammer previously mentioned. Dizzy's, perhaps, after they were given notice by Michael Jones (estate agents)? They certainly wanted to open another shop in the village. Incidentally, the store out the back of that shop is just unheated and not a "cold store" as such as I had suggested earlier!
However, the interesting development is that I understand there is a new planning application on a lamp post near the old Dizzy shop which suggests that Butts are applying for planning permission for change of use of the old Dizzy shop from from A1 retail to A1 office. Looks as if Butts have done a deal with Michael Jones. I do not have a problem with that provided that the number of estate agents' shops in the village centre is limited to just two. The notice will have to be re-issued as ADC has got the address wrong!
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BFA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 17:59:43
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Interesting it is!
Apparently when Dizzy's moved in the usage automatically reverted to retail and now planning permission is required to change it to office use. But seeing as this was refused for the old off licence, has a precedent been set?
Will they have to prove that retail is non-viable and how can they when it's just been proven that it most certainly is viable!
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Bert
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 14:50:48
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Looks as though Neil's post of 13 April is spot on.
I understand Dizzy are going into the vacated off-licence, and Butts, the Estate Agent have had their application to go into Dizzy's old prems, having done a deal with Estate Agent Michael Jones, agreed by Angmering Parish Council Planning Committee.
They will still of course have to get consent from ADC, but I would think it could well be agreed, as these prems. were previously an Estate Agent, and there will just be the two Agents in the village.
It will be good to see both prems. occupied again. |
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Rob
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 19:07:15
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| Wait! Is that offical that we are not losing Dizzy after all, or just a rumor you heard, because if that shop moved into the old Off-licence shop that would rock! i always loved going into Dizzy, to find a nice DVD to watch or some old playstation one games to buy! and i been missing my weekly visit to it :) |
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jammer
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Posted - 16 Apr 2011 : 08:10:20
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I see that the Coop was broken into once again the other morning. Surely they have had enough break ins now to warrant replacing or upgrading the front doors with something that cant be so easily smashed? What is it 5 times now since they opened? A bad record by any shops standard. I cant remember the old Spar being broken into once?
Re the other shops in the village, still no news on the old off-licence then? |
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BFA
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Posted - 16 Apr 2011 : 08:31:50
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With the village centre being a conservation area you can't change things so easily, but maybe a metal door with bullet-proof glass could be made that looks just the same as the old one. Or maybe a metal shutter could be installed inside the door, I'm sure they'll do something.
No idea what's happening at the old off licence, it did have a 'Let' sign up for some time and Dizzies were supposed to be going in. |
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Bert
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Posted - 07 Oct 2011 : 16:57:27
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The premises that was an Off Licence, (next to Regency Bakers) had workmen in there today, quite a bit of activity by the look of it.
I have heard that it is going to be a Butchers, but this is not confirmed.
Anyone else heard anything similar? |
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