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Karl@KCM
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 14:32:42
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I've now been in the village for over a month, so had ore than ample time to view the goings on of the parking outside the school and it amazes me.
Stood painting in the front bedroom, and people start parking outside the house at 14.25 (yes a good 35 minutes before the school lets pupils out). It amazes me, how much spare time do these parents have, if they have time to come and park 35 minutes before picking the kids up (I can only assume to get a nice parking space close to the school). Then sit for 35 minutes reading the paper or a magazine.
I can think of so much more to do in that time. |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 15:14:39
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| Just as an update, above parker has just pulled away, so in total 45 minutes out of the day every day sat outside my house, can I class them as a stalker?? |
Edited by - Karl@KCM on 17 Mar 2011 15:16:38 |
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DEGOO
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 16:46:06
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You would think with the ever increasing costs of fuel and servicing if people have this much spare time they would walk!!!
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 17:03:32
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| especially if they are here 35 minutes early, you could almost walk from Worthing in that time! |
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240felicia
Senior Member
172 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 21:59:04
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do they call you lightning legs?
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2011 : 10:31:29
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
166 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2011 : 22:55:01
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Originally posted by DEGOO
You would think with the ever increasing costs of fuel and servicing if people have this much spare time they would walk!!!
WALK!!! Don't get carried away! Anyone would think that we live in a nice, pleasant village. No, we won't get our full quota of obese young adults if parents do stupid things such as making their children walk. |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 : 10:03:28
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Maybe the parent was collecting their child/children on the way home from work so saving another unnecessary trip a few minutes later.
Its not wise to jump to conclusions. |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2011 : 11:45:56
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| Not jumping to any conclusion, but based on the fact she sits outside for 35 minutes every day before picking up her child, one can only assume she would have time to go home and then come back without it being unnecessary |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 08:45:09
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| If she works in Worthing and lives in Littlehampton she wouldn't. |
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240felicia
Senior Member
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 10:23:43
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for a lot of mums (& not forgetting dads), the time between work and school is one of the few very short moments when you get a bit of time to yourself apart from the brief respite between the kids bedtime and your own... if someone wants to get to school early and read a book for half an hour, who are you to judge
there are never enough hours in the day... personally, i get to school early and work in my car
arriving early avoids a lot of hassle with the traffic, you have no trouble finding a space, and walking back with tired children is much easier (if they're in the infants they are after all only little and can be quite worn out by 3 o-clock)
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 13:54:04
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
If she works in Worthing and lives in Littlehampton she wouldn't.
If she lived in Littlehampton, surely it would be better to locate your child in a Littlehampton school? |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 13:56:25
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Originally posted by 240felicia
for a lot of mums (& not forgetting dads), the time between work and school is one of the few very short moments when you get a bit of time to yourself apart from the brief respite between the kids bedtime and your own... if someone wants to get to school early and read a book for half an hour, who are you to judge
there are never enough hours in the day... personally, i get to school early and work in my car
arriving early avoids a lot of hassle with the traffic, you have no trouble finding a space, and walking back with tired children is much easier (if they're in the infants they are after all only little and can be quite worn out by 3 o-clock)
This is the second time I have been accused of something I've not done ;)
Firstly I jumped to conclusions, secondly now I'm judging.
If you look back through the posts I just stated facts
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 16:50:50
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Well said felicia.
Ideally families would all live walking distance from the schools that their children attend. Unfortunately Karl that is not the reality.
In the initial post Karl you made the assumption that she was early to get a good parking space when in reality she is more likely to be trying to achieve several jobs at once.
If she is sober, the car is taxed and insured with a MOT then she can park there all day. |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 17:23:02
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
In the initial post Karl you made the assumption that she was early to get a good parking space when in reality she is more likely to be trying to achieve several jobs at once.
That's under the assumption that she has a job, lives in littlehampton or just wants a good parking space (as felicia has already agreed with my assumption).
I neither care nor worry that these people sit out there (they can do it all day as long as it's not across my drive ), but I can see this has caused some friction in the topic, so I end my comments there.
If this is the sort of welcome new members of the forum get it's a bit disappointing, especially on the basis that walking round the vilage everyone is always so polite and nice |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 19:01:02
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| I can't see that Felicia has agreed with your assumption. Even if she had two people making the same assumption doesn't mean that its no longer any more than just an assumption. |
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240felicia
Senior Member
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 19:26:10
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hmmm... i think that having chosen to post on here about this, you had made a judgement on the situation, or you wouldn't feel the need to mention it...
your comments have suggested an assumption that you think parents who arrive early for school have a lot of time on their hands
by the way, i agree there's a lot of nice people in angmering, it's a pleasant neighbourhood... but i do worry that if you ever stop to have a conversation with any of the friendly folk you have been meeting in the street, if they offer an alternative viewpoint to your subject of conversation, will you say they are causing friction and walk away from them?
i don't think there was any friction, nobody was upset at your post, and nobody made any defensive comments, so i really don't get where you are coming from |
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Mr Growser
Average Member
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 23:31:50
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Karl'KCM is a waste of space and is clogging up this website with inane and vacuous postings.
Suggest all sensible Posters disengage before the Webmaster closes him down. |
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Nigel
Senior Member
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 23:36:14
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Never judge what you don't understand. |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 08:37:41
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I think that is a bit unfriendly to a new member, Mr Growser!
I'm not sure why people are getting so upset over such a mild observation Karl made in the first place. I agree with Nigel.
Keep on posting, Karl. We need newcomers to make observations on the village to provide a different perspective. Some of us have been here so long that we cannot see the wood from the trees! |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 10:18:14
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| Wow, talk about OTT, inane and vacuous, must be the first time I've been called that since College |
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
166 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 10:41:50
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
Well said felicia.
Ideally families would all live walking distance from the schools that their children attend. Unfortunately Karl that is not the reality.
In the initial post Karl you made the assumption that she was early to get a good parking space when in reality she is more likely to be trying to achieve several jobs at once.
If she is sober, the car is taxed and insured with a MOT then she can park there all day.
There are plenty of cars, it seems, which come from BG and other parts of the village. Are all of these beyond walking distance? Sad state of affairs if they are. |
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BOTFOJ
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Kyrgyzstan
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 12:34:35
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| Karl, ignore the haters, the fact remains, the MAJORITY of drivers who go to/from ST M Daily, leave their commonsense at home when they get behind the wheel, lets not kid ourselves, around 90% of parents will live in the village and a sizeable number would have the mobility and time to walk. The head's involvement in the decision not to build a school at BG is also partly responsible. |
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240felicia
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 14:14:00
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mr growser, i think you should be officially appointed the role of village troll
from the eastern side of bramley green, walking your children to & from school and preschool at the top of arundel road equates to 3 round trips of 3 miles each, 4.5 hours per day walking, mostly at a childs pace... in all honesty, who actually has time to spend 4.5 hours every day walking? |
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Mr Growser
Average Member
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 17:48:28
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Karl@KCM
Neil is right in his comments and I apologise for my unnecessary and inappropriate remarks which I unreservedly regret and withdraw.Do hope you can accept this.Maybe Neil has a point about " wood and trees " |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 19:08:17
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No Commuter the parents are within walking distance but the majority are on their way to work (or other activities) when they drop off their children.
Hence BOTFOG they do not have the time to stroll to and from the school |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 19:33:25
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Originally posted by Mr Growser
Karl@KCM
Neil is right in his comments and I apologise for my unnecessary and inappropriate remarks which I unreservedly regret and withdraw.Do hope you can accept this.Maybe Neil has a point about " wood and trees "
No problems Mr Growser, I've been called a lot worse
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wigit
Junior Member
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 19:45:08
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| A lot of the problems at St Margaret`s could be solved if the parents would park with a bit more consideration, instead of getting as close to the school as possible,regardless of "pinch points" or side roads. Also if the lollipop lady or is that "crossing operative" would allow the traffic to flow a bit rather than stop cars for every individual child/parent it would certainly ease the congestion. |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 10:59:24
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| I an agree with that statement wigit. It is infuriating when you approach a space (not just outside schools) thats 15 feet long and the car in front of you parks right in the middle of it! No consideration at all. |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 12:31:42
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| I can vouch for this too, 1 car in 2 spaces seems to be a regular here |
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 13:36:26
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You will need to get used to that Karl.
Watch out for the drivers who signal right as they approach every roundabout and generally go straight on! Even worse are the ones that turn right from left hand lanes at roundabouts....they are really special! |
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DEGOO
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 14:13:45
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| I have the pleasure of driving through the school traffic most mornings to get to work and have seen some very, shall we say, special driving and parking! The best was last Friday a lady trying, unsuccessfully I might add, to park in front of a drive way in Lloyd Goring Close and managing to completely block the road in doing so! I agree that a bit more consideration would go a long way! |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 15:24:04
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| haha, prime example today, I'm out the front trying to calm the wilderness that is the front garden, we had a woman try to reverse into our drive to turn around (very early to pick her kids up, but thats a different story ), it was at least a 6 point turn. |
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 : 20:58:35
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
No Commuter the parents are within walking distance but the majority are on their way to work (or other activities) when they drop off their children.
Hence BOTFOG they do not have the time to stroll to and from the school
Work - fair enough
'Other activities' - are there that many of these which HAVE to begin immediately after the school run?
Any particular reason why so many medium to large cars have unusable back seats? A bit of car sharing would do wonders.
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 11:34:52
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Sorry to use a four letter word on the forum "commuter" but WORK for most people would start around about 9-9:30.
I am sure car sharing would be ideal if two parents are fortunate to work the same work pattern at the same company! Even you must agree thats unlikely? |
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Karl@KCM
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 14:31:12
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| Do parents have to share the cars?, I remember back in the day, my parents had a rota with other familys, so only one car went daily, all the kids would be picked up from the respective streets and taken in to school, meant less cars daily |
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 19:21:33
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
Sorry to use a four letter word on the forum "commuter" but WORK for most people would start around about 9-9:30.
I am sure car sharing would be ideal if two parents are fortunate to work the same work pattern at the same company! Even you must agree thats unlikely?
It only takes one non-working adult to walk to school with a small group of children or one adult to drive three children to school. Have we reached such a state that parents can't let their children out of their sight for a second before they hand them over to teachers etc? |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 20:05:11
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In 2007, as part of their LIVE! Environmental Project, Angmering Parish Council said that they would consider working with schools to develop a "walking bus".
I wonder if the PC made any progress. Perhaps as election time is getting nearer, existing parish councillors might like to enlighten us on what they have done to achieve the walking bus and other commitments in their environmental policy and suggested actions (new topic of course). See www.angmeringvillage.co.uk/articles/a_LIVE.htm
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angmeringpaul
Senior Member
United Kingdom
234 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 21:44:40
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Unfortunately Neil and Commuter what would appear to be common sense and practical is in fact neither.
What could possibly be the harm in entrusting your child to a fellow parent to guide your child to school in a walking bus? Personally I would have no problem if I lived withing 30mins walk of a school, but for those that do its not straightforward. Most schools look at these things almost annually.
The walking bus needs not one (non-working or otherwise) parent but a ratio of parents to children. The last time I checked it was 1:5.
It also requires insurance! Given up on the idea yet?
How about CRB checks (£28 per adult) for everyone/anyone public spirited enough to give up their time to do it. If you haven't lost interest by now you are perhaps an angel and you can maybe volunteer you time every day and your £28 for your trouble? |
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2011 : 22:03:12
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Originally posted by angmeringpaul
Unfortunately Neil and Commuter what would appear to be common sense and practical is in fact neither.
What could possibly be the harm in entrusting your child to a fellow parent to guide your child to school in a walking bus? Personally I would have no problem if I lived withing 30mins walk of a school, but for those that do its not straightforward. Most schools look at these things almost annually.
The walking bus needs not one (non-working or otherwise) parent but a ratio of parents to children. The last time I checked it was 1:5.
It also requires insurance! Given up on the idea yet?
How about CRB checks (£28 per adult) for everyone/anyone public spirited enough to give up their time to do it. If you haven't lost interest by now you are perhaps an angel and you can maybe volunteer you time every day and your £28 for your trouble?
Checked where? Once at school, fear of being sued etc means that schools do have strict (if somewhat OTT) rules but before children get there the position is very relaxed. There are no minimum legal ages for children to be on their own (although common sense should restrict the freedom of the very young) so an adult for a bit of extra safety is a bonus:
http://www.walktoschool.org.uk/index.php/download_file/-/view/183/
See also p21 of:
http://www.familyandparenting.org/Filestore/Documents/publications/Is_it_legal_3rd_ed.pdf |
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240felicia
Senior Member
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 10:10:27
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| wouldn't it be great if it was like the united states where they have school buses collecting kids from near their homes... if we had buses running all the bramley green children to and from school every day i reckon it would considerably ease congestion and make school runs a breeze for loads of families... doubt that will ever happen though... |
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